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  Date Posted #1 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 02:58:56 PM   

It's been about 4 years since I built my last machine. And as usual, I'm a bit fearful that my lack of keeping up with technology might be misleading me into spending money on the wrong parts, or stupidly spending more money than I should be.

As such, I've picked brands that have never led me astray in my previous setups, as well as checked a few benchmarks for CPUs to make my choice. Lastly, when in doubt I chose items with the most reviews while keeping in mind I want this machine to last a while and also be at least partially upgradeable down the road.

Another worry of mine is that I picked components that will all interface properly.

Any help is highly appreciated.


Case $264.99

CPU $319.99

PSU $174.99

Motherboard $239.99

GPU $269.99

RAM $134.99

SoundCard $139.99

Primary HD $149.99

Secondary HD is a 500GB WD that I'll be taking out of my current machine.

Also, $20 ASUS for DVD-RW and $20 Lite-On for DVD-R

Grand Total: $1,734.90
 
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  Date Posted #2 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:07:07 PM   

you have to list the parts out, we can't access the list thru that link 
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  Date Posted #3 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:29:46 PM   

Excuse the mistake. List is now listed. 
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  Date Posted #4 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:37:58 PM   

I DO NOT EXCUSE YOUR MISTAKE.

I think you should spend more on a video card, but you wisely chose an EVGA card which means you can step up to a better card within 90 days. I really see nothing wrong with your build. Games are becoming more and more dependent on graphics cards so your CPU really should last you quite a while, and that board is great for future cards or adding another card for an SLI setup.

I was looking at that ASUS motherboard for myself actually, it's a great board. 
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  Date Posted #5 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:42:34 PM   

I'm somewhat of an ASUS fanboy as the last two computers have both used their motherboards and have been completely flawless. When I saw that one I was extremely impressed with its aesthetic and usability.

As far as graphics cards go, what would you say is a good choice that'll last me a while? I'm already spending quite a bit of money on this so I don't see a reason why not to get a real bang for my buck. 
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  Date Posted #6 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:47:21 PM   

pretty good but that video card sucks balls

7970 or 590 plz if ur spending that much $$ 
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  Date Posted #7 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:57:19 PM   

Looking at these two..

Does the 4GB of memory outweigh the extra Nvidia features of the 2GB option?

Option 1

Option 2 
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  Date Posted #8 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 03:59:12 PM   

My velociraptor sucked, and was loud. Went ssd and the improvement was muuuuch better. You can get like 120 gb ones now for 140 ish? I would take ssd over mechanical for boot disc any time. 
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  Date Posted #9 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 04:02:27 PM   

Only thing I was reading about SSD's that I didn't like is that some of them seem to randomly like to die within a year or so. I would be really pissed if that happened to me. 
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  Date Posted #10 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 05:11:46 PM   

SSD's are still overpriced shitty technology, but if you happen to come across a deal for one that is relatively stable, pick it up for your OS drive or something, but make sure you keep anything important backed up. 
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  Date Posted #11 Tuesday, July 31, 2012 05:17:40 PM   

Originally posted by Allustrious
SSD's are still overpriced shitty technology, but if you happen to come across a deal for one that is relatively stable, pick it up for your OS drive or something, but make sure you keep anything important backed up.


Windows Vista and greater allow you to create symlinks. I've linked all my important folders in to my Dropbox account so that if anything does go wrong, I've got it all backed up. However, an SSD really only NEEDS to have the OS and program installs on it. All data storage should be on the standard drive. So...basically, link your Users/*/AppData folder to Dropbox and so long as the game isn't stupidly storing crap somewhere else, you should be golden.

I've got something like 4GB of free storage on DropBox. If you aren't backing up up your static media (downloaded music doesn't change, you download it, it's there, it's static) through a scheduled process in this day and age, if you have data loss, I'd blame you anyway. The SSD unreliability actually forced me to set up a decent backup strategy for myself - something I knew that I should have been doing for a very long time now anyway.

...and it's super awesomely fast in comparison. :) 
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  Date Posted #12 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 03:42:57 AM   

odd numbered nvidia series are just slightly faster versions of the previous even numbered series, keep that in mind. and fuck amd. Also, I would recommend a 250-500gb drive with an SSD used as your readyboost drive. 
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  Date Posted #13 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 04:32:53 AM   

Do you guys have any kind of evidence for this incredible SSD unreliability?


From what I understand, backups are more crucial not because of higher fail rates, but because of how they fail. A good share of HDD failure happens slowly and manifests mostly in bad sectors or maybe freezes. Gives you time to move your data before it dies. SSDs die instantly. Data recovery is almost impossible (without huge $).

In either case, if you have any kind of data important to you, you need to have backups. SSD or HDD, doesn't matter. Even if HDD failure is less likely to cost you data, it is still a possibility you shouldn't ignore. 
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  Date Posted #14 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 07:40:39 AM   

Really the evidence is just based on tech reviews and user experiences which I guess is subjective, but if someone is saying they are having problems I'm going to take their word for it when other people report the same problems.

SSD's are definitely getting better, and the higher end SDD's are having more success with new firmware releases and better technology starting to be used, but I don't think the cost relative to storage space relative to reliability isn't there yet for SSD's to replace HD's as primary storage solutions.

As you both mentioned, you'd better have a backup policy in place if you are going to use SSD's in your system.

You are right though, when SSD's fail, they tend to fail hard. I think that pisses people off. 
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  Date Posted #15 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 08:36:54 AM   

SSDs are coming down in price quite a bit so I finally got a Vertex 3 and to be honest, I don't really notice that much of a difference from my old SATA3 disk... I wouldn't spent the money on it. You'd probably be better served by taking the price difference between it and a regular SATA3 drive and upgrading your video card... 
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  Date Posted #16 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 08:38:20 AM   

Originally posted by Hellcat+
My velociraptor sucked, and was loud. Went ssd and the improvement was muuuuch better. You can get like 120 gb ones now for 140 ish? I would take ssd over mechanical for boot disc any time.


Watch Slickdeals and you can get a 120GB for $80... 
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  Date Posted #17 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 08:43:05 AM   

Finally best online backup I've found is Mozy.
 
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  Date Posted #18 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 08:56:15 AM   

I hate Mozy's commercials.

I'm in this weird place right now where I'm considering putting together an NAS to attach to my network for my media streamer/PC but I don't really want to wire half my house for ethernet. 
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  Date Posted #19 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 09:56:57 AM   

I went with a Samsung SSD for my old Dell laptop and was floored with the speed increase. Granted the original HDD was a 5400 RPM drive, but when I run applications that make my 8-10 year old laptop seem like it was purchased 2 months before and it only cost me an $80 upgrade price...then yeah, I'll be super happy with SSDs.

From what I had seen, at the time of my purchase, was that Samsung's drives were rated as being much more stable than the competition. 
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  Date Posted #20 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:48:19 AM   

Originally posted by Realm
I went with a Samsung SSD for my old Dell laptop and was floored with the speed increase. Granted the original HDD was a 5400 RPM drive, but when I run applications that make my 8-10 year old laptop seem like it was purchased 2 months before and it only cost me an $80 upgrade price...then yeah, I'll be super happy with SSDs.

From what I had seen, at the time of my purchase, was that Samsung's drives were rated as being much more stable than the competition.


I think the amount of performance increase you see with SSDs is relative to the speed of the computer. If you have an older PC without much memory that will need to swap more to load applications, the speed increase is extremely noticable.

I put one in a PC that had a 7200RPM SATA3 drive that is running Windows 7 x64 with 8GB of DDR1600 on an i5 running at 3.8Ghz and I barely noticed a difference. 
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  Date Posted #21 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 01:40:25 PM   

I have a Vertex 3 and I've noticed a difference over my SATA drive. But obviously only in the incredibly rare instances where the drive was the bottleneck. The computer starts up faster (especially if you include the time it takes to autostart everything). So do some games, but it was a difference of a few seconds. I've only noticed it because I timed it before and after the change, since I was curious. In day2day shit you wont notice, especially with Windows 7 and SuperFetch.

Laptops are a completely different story. The 5400RPM drives, especially older ones, are ridiculously slow. Laptops usually don't have enough RAM for SuperFetch to properly do it's shit (or you have XP and don't have it at all), so they actually use the HDD to launch applications. Hell, they might even need to use swap space. This is where a decent SSD will make a big difference.


But back to the reliability. User reviews are a horrible source. People are far more likely to bitch about the failures than to write about it working. Especially that they're probably disappointed after expecting some kind of insane performance increase. As far as tech reviews go, I'm a little suspicious of those as well. I'm not saying that the drives didn't fail, I'm just not convinced they fail significantly more than HDDs. Too bad there aren't any reliable sources on this.
SSDs can be incredibly unstable though. It took OCZ about 9 months to finally release a stable firmware for the Vertex 3 series. For the first few weeks I had daily BSODs.

So yeah, they're only a good choice in very select situations. Usually not worth the extra cost. But if you're going to buy a dedicated system drive anyway, and money isn't a huge issue, then SSD is not a horrible choice.
 
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  Date Posted #22 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 08:45:44 PM   

Good point Phil. I never timed it so I'm sure it does things a few seconds faster... 
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  Date Posted #23 Wednesday, August 01, 2012 08:55:01 PM   

someone send me a psu to sleeve, im so bored w/ life