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  Date Posted #1 Monday, October 31, 2016 12:38:05 PM   

Check this site. Apparently quite impartial and fairly accurate (according to discussion forums and reddit threads).

http://www.isidewith.com/

Here are my results: http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2778835235?from=fHnZehdGv
 
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  Date Posted #2 Monday, October 31, 2016 04:03:40 PM   

Me? I'm not voting this isn't an election it's a fucking execution of America and I just want to get it over with.

You have 2 candidates that are creeping up to 2/3rds of the country viewing them unfavorably which is unheard of in an election cycle, the 3rd parties were given a gift this year and totally fucked it up by running with Gary "What's my name again?" Johnson and Jill "Vaccines and wifi will kill you" Stein.

At this point i'm half inclined to believe Trump when he says the election is rigged the only difference is he's in on the fix I can't fathom a world where Hillary Clinton wins any election for President other than one where Donald Trump is her main opponent. It's amazing the race is even close, the dems could have ran pretty much anyone and they would be doing lightyears better than her right now even Bernie Sanders (Who I don't support) barring a videotape that surfaces of him giving illegal abortions while Bankers grin in the background and stuff 100's into his pockets.

Now let me be clear and someone said this on CNN a week back and I think it's the most apt description of this election yet. You have 2 students 1 who didn't turn their homework on time and the other who burnt down the school. This is our choice, I don't necessarily think Hillary would be a bad President if she was allowed to run the country without the baggage she brings along with it but it's going to be 4 years of petty bickering from the 2 parties not a fucking thing is going to be done to the point where Obama's presidency is going to be looked upon as a grand friendship of Republicans and Democrats compared to the shit storm we've got coming. And that's the best case scenario for her Presidency, worst case being Republics try to impeach her within the first year.

Then you have Trump a guy who has such great business acumen that he purchased 4 casinos in an already oversaturated Atlantic City market ran them all into the ground, decided selling steaks in a fucking electronics store is a good business decision, and started a University that made ITT look like Harvard and yet ask any Trump supporter what they think his best area is and they will say the economy. It's mind boggling to me I always knew my country was full of idiots but it's really front and center at just how backwards the US is now. I don't really give 2 shits how much of a misogynist Donald Trump is or how his policies are xenophobic if not borderline racist it's how he will handle the economy that petrifies the shit out of me. He has shown the only way he knows how to run a business is by screwing over everyone around him either his employees, his contractors or even his investors and he will try to apply those ideas to the American economy. 
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  Date Posted #3 Monday, October 31, 2016 04:18:25 PM   

Oh and apparently I side with Hillary Clinton on 91% of the issues. http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2781015529

It's a nice format but I found alot of the reasons I favored or didn't favor something when matched up with the candidates stance the reasoning behind my decision and theirs are in direct contrast. For instance the torturing of terrorist suspects I don't support it because it's not as effective as a simple good cop bad cop interrogation I got matched up to Jill Stein on this when she goes babbling on about the 8th amendment. Fuck that shit find a torture method that will grant you more info than simply befriending someone and i'd be on board with it all day long.

Edit and wtf Ucross you support juveniles in solitary confinement? 
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  Date Posted #4 Monday, October 31, 2016 09:58:43 PM   

I hate mercy on children. Too many have learned their actions don't have significant consequences, especially the incarcerated ones who have been through the system and seen the leniency they are given.

I think you'll find I'm surprisingly strict on crime. I'm for the death penalty, corporal punishment, exportation, and branding. Jail is WAY too soft for my liking. Steal something? Cut off their fingers. Then try to steal again. Kill someone? Cut off their hands. Now that's fast rehabilitation.

At the same time I do care about the innocent so I'd say give everyone a single warning first unless the evidence is perfectly clear.

One of my patients was a warden for a local jail and said the recidivism rate was over 90%. He also said it costs more than 200k / year to jail someone. Fuck that. Time to change tactics.

People talk rehabilitation and all that but it's insanely expensive and very unproductive. I believe my solution would end up with way more $$ saved and way less repeat criminals.

At the same time I'm quite socialist and believe in helping the needy and raising minimum wage. 
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  Date Posted #5 Tuesday, November 01, 2016 04:54:04 PM   

You do realize the American prison system is hopelessly broken and the USA has more of it's populace locked in prisons than any other country on the planet. I don't know how much it costs in Canada (I'm assuming you still live in Canada) to house someone but it's like 60k in NY which is the most expensive in any state. I imagine it's more money in Canada because you guys actually try to rehab people like every other country in the first world but the US.

I get the whole tough on crime stance but i'm a person who is more inclined to believe in reasoning and facts and the facts are our recidivism rate is off the charts compared to almost any other country in the world like 2/3rds of all inmates released from prison are arrested again within 3 years of release hell more than half of the people who get out are re-arrested within their first year of freedom most of which end back up in the correctional system causing an enormous drain on the economy. Our nation as a whole pretty much wholly embraces a tough on crime policy especially where I live which is rural Upstate NY which is also home to alot of prisons Clinton County Correctional being the most famous as in the one where the 2 inmates broke out of last year.

Now I know quite a few people who work as CO's there and 2 things have happened in the last 10 years. NYS is one of the few states to resist privatizing prisons and that's partially the reason we have the highest cost of housing an inmate because every employee is a state employee and as such gets a decent rate of pay with excellent benefits. Now to offset that they've downsized the work force but at the same time since NY has also relaxed drug laws in the last 10 years you are seeing more and more inmates for violent crimes. This has led to a pretty much de facto attitude of solitary under any infraction and i'm talking weeks and months at a time. The problem with doing this is the person becomes even more violent and transfers that behavior when they are released and inevitably ends up back in prison costing tax payers even more money. Now do that to a juvenile and you are just magnifying the effects that's my issue with it it has it's place in adult prisons but I don't think throwing a 13 year old into solitary for fighting is a good tool.

As for your thoughts unfortunately I don't think Hammurabi's code is going to go into law anytime soon in the US so hate to bum you out there. I think that we could save alot of money if there was an actual real vocational system set up in prisons that placed people in jobs after the fact, yes you can learn a trade in prison but most places have no system in place to find you a job after the fact so lets say you learn how to be a carpenter or mason in prison great now go to any employer and disclose the fact you just got out of prison and see who hires you that's why the recidivism rate is so bad in this country you get released back into the same shithole you came from have less economic opportunities than when you went in and people expect you to not commit a crime? That's fucking insanity. 
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  Date Posted #6 Tuesday, November 01, 2016 07:36:52 PM   

 
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  Date Posted #7 Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:06:53 PM   

Agree with what you said Sinn.

That's why you cut off their hands instead.

Really hard to steal something without hands.

Then you pay them $5 an hour to peddle a bike for electricity if they really want a job.

Also you mark them with a big tat on their forehead that says "Thief" that they are forbidden from covering or removing in public.

Then you also let them agree to suicide if they wish.

I think most people would think twice before stealing if that's the punishment system that was out there. I also think people caught stealing would really be hard pressed to do it again. 
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  Date Posted #8 Wednesday, November 02, 2016 03:17:03 PM   

really starting to like u more and more ucross

love to a shot too 
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  Date Posted #9 Wednesday, November 02, 2016 04:32:47 PM   

That's ignorant. With any level of corruption that system would be so stupid. Perhaps in a utopia (where they cut off thieves' hands?) it could work, but in reality communism has a better shot. 
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  Date Posted #10 Friday, November 04, 2016 07:12:56 PM   

Why? You make it so they have to:

1) Be a repeat offender

2) Have irrefutable proof

Judge can make it more lenient based on case (e.g. stealing cause you're starving)

It'll be pretty similar to the judicial system now except instead of 10 years of jail it will be lose a hand.

Why would it be so stupid? 
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  Date Posted #11 Saturday, November 05, 2016 04:02:37 AM   

I don't know why don't you ask the residents of Aleppo how well Sharia law works because that's what you are advocating.

According to the Sharia law and after due process and investigation:
Habitual theft past a specific threshold, and after repeated warnings, is punishable by amputation of a hand. 
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  Date Posted #12 Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:31:17 PM   

I voted for Hillary, but I projectile vomited numerous times after doing it.

I don't think I'll ever be the same after doing such a disgusting thing.

I can't say I'm particularly rooting for her to win, either. It's weird. Can everyone lose and we start over with real candidates? 
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  Date Posted #13 Monday, November 07, 2016 08:09:12 AM   

I'm glad I'm not voting because that is an awful choice. But not sure how it got there. Why was everyone so blind in the primaries? Crazy... 
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  Date Posted #14 Monday, November 07, 2016 09:41:45 AM   

I don't know about blind at least on the Republican side. I would rather vote for Trump over say Carson, Christie, Huckabee, or worst of all Cruz(As in someone putting a gun to my head and saying vote for one of these idiots). And I get why he won when the establishment put up another Bush and Rubio who had his political career executed on stage by Chris Christie of all people. Now the democrats just had no competition you had Hillary with her well oiled war machine vs Bernie Sanders and his upstart hippy dippy campaign that had no outreach with inner city voters and it wasn't much of a fight at all. What I don't understand is how we couldn't get at least one credible third party candidate in a presidential election year where seemingly someone else could have won. But nope just this giant shitshow. 
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  Date Posted #15 Wednesday, November 09, 2016 02:40:28 AM   

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  Date Posted #16 Wednesday, November 09, 2016 07:04:24 AM   

Originally posted by Sinn Fein
Our nation as a whole pretty much wholly embraces a tough on crime policy especially where I live which is rural Upstate NY which is also home to alot of prisons Clinton County Correctional being the most famous as in the one where the 2 inmates broke out of last year.


Wait, you live up here too?? 
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  Date Posted #17 Thursday, November 10, 2016 06:22:29 AM   

lol im so far north of you Realm, I'm in St. Lawrence county right at the tip top of the state. 
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  Date Posted #18 Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:47:31 AM   

Oh, so you're Canadian. :P

j/k j/k, but yeah that's up there...... compared to you I'm not "upstate", I'd have to go by my actual designation which is Capital Region...ugh. 
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  Date Posted #19 Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:52:27 AM   

Nah the Canadian thing is apt I live in Massena which is right on the border, and I spend most of my off time over in Canada because other than the outdoors there is fuck all to do around here (Unless you are a heroin enthusiast) while Montreal is around a hour and half away and so is Ottawa which offer far more activities. 
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  Date Posted #20 Monday, November 21, 2016 06:38:23 PM   

Originally posted by Ucross
I hate mercy on children. Too many have learned their actions don't have significant consequences, especially the incarcerated ones who have been through the system and seen the leniency they are given.

I think you'll find I'm surprisingly strict on crime. I'm for the death penalty, corporal punishment, exportation, and branding. Jail is WAY too soft for my liking. Steal something? Cut off their fingers. Then try to steal again. Kill someone? Cut off their hands. Now that's fast rehabilitation.

At the same time I do care about the innocent so I'd say give everyone a single warning first unless the evidence is perfectly clear.

One of my patients was a warden for a local jail and said the recidivism rate was over 90%. He also said it costs more than 200k / year to jail someone. Fuck that. Time to change tactics.

People talk rehabilitation and all that but it's insanely expensive and very unproductive. I believe my solution would end up with way more $$ saved and way less repeat criminals.

At the same time I'm quite socialist and believe in helping the needy and raising minimum wage.


We have been tough on crime for decades and it has only led to the highest incarceration rate in the world. The solution to recidivism is not more punishment, it's rehabilitation. Over the last several decades, states have cut nearly all rehabilitative services in prisons. Programs in jails that promote education or mentorships, provide treatments for addictions, etc. have shown to dramatically reduce recidivism rates yet states tend to cut all these services as much as possible, especially conservative states. While they spend less per prisoner, they just spend more total, not to mention immeasurable costs on the community for having broken families and single parent households.

Also, states have been passing off the costs of imprisonment to the imprisoned and their families, which is ass backwards since the poor are already largely over-represented in jails/prisons. Even in Minnesota, which has one of the lowest incarceration rates among states, our courts mandate that people get drug/alcohol treatments or counseling for violence, yet they never receive this. It's one of the most frequent reasons for recidivism. People spend 2 years in jail, are not able to get into any of these mandated programs because there isn't the funding for it, and then they can't afford it when they are released because they just got released and have no job or transportation. It would be a lot cheaper to give them the rehab in jail than to jail them for another two years after placing unreasonable burdens on them.

You really think cutting off someone's fingers, thus limiting a lot of their job prospects by making labor difficult, is actually going to reduce stealing? It would keep people in poverty and encourage theft. 
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  Date Posted #21 Tuesday, November 22, 2016 03:38:22 AM   

Yeah but crime rates dropped.